Tuesday, November 28, 2017

What explains this amazing unity amongst the Parties

On rushing through SSM marriage and VAD without properly considering amendments,,November 2017
Before I make a suggestion , because I don't think the motivation of our reps who will support this is very deep, I draw your attention to a amazing Boyer lecture on Politics given by John Passmore.
In that series John reminds us that Politicians seldom admit that one of their biggest frustrations is "that they simply don't know what to do ".
If what he said in 1978 was true  it would take something world shattering to get the sort of consensus we have at this moment on 29th November 2017 amongst the parties .
Both bills have great historic significance
Both bills reject long held views on cultural norms ,
And despite the huge historic significance those who have got over the line seem to think they no longer have to listen to those who have difficulty with this simplicity
Eyes must have been opened
, and most importantly old prohibitions have been condemned as backward
Old prohibitions have been condemned as backward.   This strong attitude ( not often openly stated )may well set the scene for the attacks on Christians and others who disagree with the adoption of the principles on these Acts

MY suggestion  That there is no criticism  of politicians that motivates s the minds of those people across parties than the one that they could be backward in the ir thinking .
In a predictable way its the idea of evolution and progress that overcomes the sound inertia that normally keeps Parliament revises the old ways that they are no so happy to reject. I welcome anyone challenging me to say that  the motivation goes deeper than that .


PROGRESSIVES win this battle ( by using emotion ) but will they win the war
After all, will their assertion  that be Old prohibitions must be  condemned as backwardor just as before the need for the old prohibition against suicide and clear definitions of marriage and why its important to frame it well ( risk of children)
I turn to someone who described the modern phenomenon nearly 100 years ago .

GK Chesterton

One reason offered for being a Progressive is that things naturally tend to grow better. But the only real reason for being a Progressive is that things naturally tend to grow worse.

My summary 

Progressives have the joy of being cynical about all those" living in the past" and the freedom to not really think deeply about the future because they think it will be better automatically

That's why its easy for all parties to get up and dance this week - they believe in evolution

in other words nothing is more potent at dinner than a device which lubricates the friction filled wheels of progress.  The fact that automatic faith in progress more the  poison of the modern west than any other religion was in the same period  is not accepted - the waste has yet to be seen yet alone calculated .
In seeing real progress they have forgotten about the wolf .

Its all going to happen by Christmas.

No its not .
Somehow the leading parties in Australia are agreed on how to change the world - well for one group anyway.   How clever and they all agree .They must be on drugs .Acts without ammendments.  surveys with more significance than a single sentence of common sense.
What a bunch of new age mind game believers they all are.Words of course are clearly losing value but that's another matter.
 In Victoria it's the same . The pain of those waiting to die will be over .  The onlookers are going to make it easier .They will help you die quicker and that will be for the relief .......of everyone watching

-Parliament is about to change the world - for one group anyway 


And of course,  the well wishers are having a good cynical laugh ( that's sort of how they respond now) at those who say" it is just quick fix "for them and then slow death for real caring for all.
Faith in progress does this . You don't have to learn the detail from the past or worry about the future - its the perfect religion for the new consumer age - its demands create growth.What else matters?
The loud minority wins and the wannabes are happy . Going on past performance the happiness won't last because we have eroded both the sense of centre and the boundaries of what works for the good of all .

And what so special about Christmas? It one time when we are all happy -or we are supposed  to be.
Until we realize that we have not been reconciled to each other - just mad decisions about the  others interests without really talking about it to them directly .

Its all going to happen by Christmas -No its not . It will just be made to appear that way . Like empty Christmas rhetoric its enough to make normal people wanna commit suicide afterwards. 

The world is Spinning outta control-must be some kinda disease ; lack of centre and no sense of boundaries. Such creatures live on the earth but don't seem to know it. http://graceware.blogspot.com

Tuesday, November 21, 2017

Suicide - the mandate musical in Spring street

Greenlabor are not really interested in mere word constructs as their impatience and non show  with the amendment process in regard to poison administration clearly shows . 
This new religious sect take their election as their mandate to change the culture- change all of us.
.For them the  question is not how, but what wrongs must be righted, No meddling around the edges -they are going to change people. They  may only be minorities working together to make a sausage, but the recipe for change is rock solid. 
In the case of VAD, the King and Queens of parliament want to be the first to give people permission to kill themselves.
How the poor plebs and professional carers  do that is secondary.The high priests will naturally pass the responsibilities for implementing this new doctrine , and the poison,  onto others. 

Don't be a dummy and let them -Join the chorus to call for closure on this and other bills with this same religion of official poison administration. However nice Gavin Jennings wants the process to appear, its still poison; As the show over the road ( the book of mormon) shows, there is no place for imposing heretical ways of solving other people's problems. 

Close the Parliament Down- its a joke

In the rush to get what they want done, our careless ignorant pollies (don't even check whether they are eligible -- the citizenship debacle ) es have forgotten that we expect THEM , when they get a majority to properly debate the legislation with the minority who lost.
Yet in November 2017 we have both State and Australian parliaments impatient to talk about their brilliant ideas and most unbelievably,  the way to make their r ideas actually work.The delay is not unusual but basic - however long it takes . Greenlabor in clear denial of their hevenly minded but unworkable practice recommendations.
Naturally none of us , let alone the willful,  don't sin in the daylight . Green labor leaders are amused by the delay requests . These tyrants  use long sittings to try and close down  debate without looking like they are closing down debate , Yes sometimes the opposition  members prolong the debate but that's the government problem - the people's right is to be heard
The floor parliament sets the scene
The ignorant Bill Shorten who does not even understand  mandate means uses the pathetic and hypocritical excuse "that we have better other things to do" - . It was important yesterday but its not now . the man is NOT fit to be a leader.



Tuesday, November 14, 2017

Following the fear prone into heaven

The chorus in the chicken coupe, now that 65% of Australians have said yes to a really simple question on who should be allowed to love,  is decidedly panicky .

You might have thought a great calm might have come over those who,  after 22 knockdowns have finally got the step they wanted .

While Henny Penny Wong is up to her usual tricks of saying  the sky is falling  (In this case  if the legislation isn't passed by Christmas ) the strangest thing is happening - all the chooks are feeding on the same brief ;  turkey before Christmas.

Too bad if it goes against sound parliamentary principles
the yes advocates don't believe there has been any bullying ..


No bullying eh? So you think a two week sitting period is enough to do 1st 2nd 3rd readings and committee meetings B4 Christmas? Now that would show real respect for the 40% who voted no -- wouldn't it!



I think Turnbull and Brandis and their  lilly liveried crew are more worried about not being reelected than retaining any credibility they might have once thought they once had .
After all,  its only the religious they are knocking back and they are mad anyway, Well  If not mad just backward .
The whole chorus is party progressive and the rush is on because that's the sort of songs they sing at their church . .



Watch the chicken coupe change its collective mind yet again .

Thursday, August 17, 2017

Whose the bigot?

A bigot maybe loosely  defined as

Someone who refuses to properly consider the other sides case.: someone who sees things too simply ?   

A"plebiscite" on the incorporation  of  Same sex marriage into the Marriage Act will be put shortly .October 2017,
There are other definitions , but I am listing this one because its not accusatory and I think its close to how many Yes promoters perceive the nature of the problem  in No voters ( see Miriam Webster definition below ). I am happy to add  from the original definition the idea that one's " religious beliefs act as a blind to even considering any logic"- provided that both sides recognise that this blinkeredness can happen to anyone on any group.   

Bigots VS Libertarians ?
The yes case advocates  have been pretty clear so far in making the simple highly personal claim that the no case people are bigots ,  and the yes case people are the libertarians . If only it was true and that simple.
I am suggesting that there are technically bigots and libertarians on both sides and anyone who is not prepared to answer questions is the biggest bigot of all.

I would suggest that the proper status and substance of  Civil Marriage  is a complex response to the variety of risks to children, mothers and widows when men fail to take responsibility for the products of their union  . Civil Marriage is  as much  about framing responsibilities,  as it is about rights.To date yes case advocates have just not answered the unintended consequences  of this major language and law change.

As CM has little to do with the religious or other ceremonies ( which will always be their own )
the  yes case focus so far has a distorted and incomplete focus  - bigoted in the way it has so far framed itself  around procedures in a ceremony  that is not even necessary to have a union certified.

So why so much heat  ?  I suggest it derives from philosophical technical practical  and emotional ( religious) view differences from   two types of libertarians one who care about consequences and ones who don't want to face them .

Have we got enough time and information to make a reasonable decision? 

Many of us think the time will be far too short considering all the real questions that are now coming forward since the decision has been implemented and since the ABC has been told to stop sitting on the case against .
Let me put some of the yes advocates REASONS for the change
Reason 1--- "to make them feel better" (A big reason put forth by one uniting church minister 18th aug)
If the only reason a minority wants us to change the language law and culture is to make them feel better, esp when they go near a church, the yes case are quite directly ignoring all the other reasons why thinking and professional people do not want to change civil marriages specific focus on protecting women and children.


 You now have many doctors and aboriginals rejecting such simplicity and false focus on "the bigots in the church"


Reason 2 -10 ?
for you to add

Those saying we have years to consider this forget the public know that largely only one side has been put  and put in a confusing way about what the LGBTI community want ?


THE  case  for yes case advocates being a little bigoted  ( just a few thought) 
  1. If the yes case advocates are not bigots why would they have not insisted on the questions raised by the  non church groups before August 2017 
  2. the insistence by them that its only a few people in church who are resisting change is clearly not true .there are others 
  3. the failure of the movement to address the address the mental health risk associated with giving people what they want 
  4. the failure of the movement to resist the bullying feeling that many in the australian audience  feel is going on in relation to this issue ' you must decide soon " says Greenlabor 
  5. Maybe the LGBTI community are not unified in what they want ( that they are just as diverse in ambition as any group and ARE not unified )
    )  therefore,  the australian public don't know what this group wants and will spend more than a few more hundreds of millions confusing the next generation about what this civil marriage change  is for

    just to make a few people feel better ?   Can they be expeceted to feel better as a result of this change ? not properly considering the other sides case

Other questions and empty rhetoric areas (this is not a complete list ) 
  1. What is meant by SSM in the LBGTI community ? ( see below) 
  2. Which countries / states have adopted SSM into their marriage acts ( full list ) 
  3. Will SSM breakups go before family court automatically?
  4. Can the impact of changes on surrogacy be anticipated?  
  5. Why would changes to superannuation and some pensions benefits be changed if children were not involved ....or even if they were?  
  6. When will yes case address the questions doctors have about the proposed changes influence 
  7. When will yes case address the questions aboriginals  have about the proposed changes influence on another spate of stolen generation children /
  8. When will yes case stop saying that there are no ( additional ) risks and costs  and address the questions thinking people  have about the real impact in probability terms  on already well known risks like those protecting of women and children from abandonment promiscuity and selef select sexual activities and poligamy  
  9. Should children have a vote . Shorten says they should (Q&A21st Aug)   




What is meant  by Same Sex marriage? .
the LGBTI community have not clearly stated which sex with which sex they want . What would the contract say and what would happen to the contract if one of the Bi partners decided to change either sex or not be monogamous ?   In what court would the names for decisions and status be made ?


From Merriam Webster

The current definition of bigot is “a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudicesespecially :  one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance.” However, when the word first entered the English language (borrowed from French at the end of the 16th century) it had the meaning of “a superstitious religious hypocrite.”


The only part of the definition below I can accept is in bold , because Jesus Christ , I will assume from his own words actions and acceptance  would not accept as Christ followers anyone who did not repent of the following when it applied    "hypocrite,  superstition , hatred or intolerance", 






Sunday, July 30, 2017

False faith in agreements and law -reviewing MDAgreement

What blinkered Green labor pollies have forgotten is that they are working with human beings  -and that to make an efficient and effective  cultural change,  they can't just rely on the simple tyrannical coercion approach they get  from the Greens .

If you are going to work with human beings you have to have a working hypothesis about how BEST to do that , one that Greenlabor clearly hasn't got its own agreement on
Greenlabor is all confused about a balance that works for cultural change . The fear mongering deterministic idealists ( that action is needed to save the world )  they have become, forces them to be one sided in their politics of action- just completely fantastical and committed to raw power
They don't realise that you can't lead the horses to water if they don't get a drink .  
Hanson Young and ABC are so lost in their own worries and modus operandi that they  don't realise that everyone would agree to prosecuting the  water thieves -- job done. ,

Spending more money on a NEW PLAN  and a new agreement ? , if you put this to a plebiscite the idea would leave the whole Left in the dark .
This false faith in agreements and what they can do is the same sort of desperate high power politics that must be rejected once and for all by the Australian people .is all this work on Climate Change agreements any more effective.??   A new way not jut another agreement .
This latest bit of desperation by Weatherall maybe the tipping point for his lot being tipped out big time ------ we all do hope so!
There is nothing wrong with agreements ,but lets not turn them into the final decisionmaking  tools and numbers when we have a drought.
Lets ALL stop this  feast for lawyers and ignorant pedants - law games for the rich.
lets go back to the idea of law we inherited from our forefathers - minimal as necessary
In a paradox that wouldn't surprise the most religious of us, the Greens are the most talkative about community engagement,  but, in their advocacy of coercion , the least effective.in talking to issues of cooperation ( as befits conservation that works) - the least credible