An inconvenient moment

The Tony and Clive Show on ABC's Lateline program  25 June 2014
For a change Tony Jones seemed lost,  and like the audience there was this sense that nothing was making sense. Tony ,as usual,  was asking a lot of questions and the one he wanted answered , even though he said it directly , wasn't really answered.
Is Tony dumb or has the value of asking a dumb question diminished?
No , dumb questions are always fine,  though they risk wasting time and making the author look dumb- its fine because,  like democracy we learn by waiting and being interrupted by the inefficiencies of weird interactions of faith, reason and approaching dead ends.  I like taking such risks with Q's which is one reason i doubt like a scientist before I get on my horse and or speculate wildly like those three horse and destiny bound amigos on the screen last night .
So are we the long suffering audience to understand another beating over the head - one so repetitive and dumb,  retorting of "confidence" between the three hot air merchants .( who don't trust each other - why trust them?)
The dummies have forgotten something .They have their own denial problems and typically project them onto others.
The thing they have in common is  that they all see themselves as powerful.
If we are to believe someone who actually knows something , we would have greater certainty about what the show meant last night . Power corrupts and talking about the invisible corrupts easily and most assuredly . They should all shut up and we should all switch them off ( as we are) Where are the scientists and technology experts on the ABC when you really need them?

Another sobering thought comes too from history. "The greatest evil is done in the name of the best intention" . That doesn't worry Tony Jones,  but being in denial about it may mean he is most vulnerable to it - just as all of us are.
So what do make of last night ? An inconvenient moment of truth projection and denial -- nothing superficial like the hot air merchants want us to believe was the issue  ?



Nothing wrong with dumb questions but Q&A control of questions means the ABC must stop running this pretence of feeding the right ( and conservative s and those who are not mere reactionaries) to the lions on Monday night . Its getting more desperate and less watchable  each week

Here 's proof.  Ask this question yourself Tony to whoever comes on .

"If we (ABC and associated wannabes) haven't been able to convince the public about the dangers of CC after 10 years banging on about  it , why would be bother again tonight? "

Beyond a mere god

Heidigger said only a god could change the world . Chesterton said that if you abolish God the government becomes god . If only we listened to one or both of these old blokes we might not have wasted billions trying to fight the unseen enemy CC  .  If only the Roman emperors could see the foolishness of their worries about the people worshipping an unseen God .
Modern progressives are living in a dream and have proven that despite spending billions { of money that was not their own) to try to force the public to lower carbon emissions ; the strategy they chose (carbon tax and market mechanisms)

They should have listened to and studied sociology so they knew how difficult it really is to change behaviour ( at what tax percentage markup do you stop smoking ?) A great student of the subject like Ellul.



The individual who burns with desire for action but does not know what to do is a common type in our society. He wants to act for the sake of justice, peace, progress, but does not know how. If propaganda can show him this 'how' then it has won the game; action will surely follow".<sup>[33]:209

Beyond  a mere god - and god worship 

When ABCTV put a panel together of scientists and let them talk we will ignore their selective editing  and 
restrictive solution exploration: we know they have walked out of church in disgust</sup>